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Let’s Talk About China …Shall We?WARNING: If you are easily offended by frank politically incorrect analysis then stop reading right now. If the thought of reading an opinion that is 100% accurate yet the tone of it’s content strikes you as sounding somewhat racist…China-phobic…or hateful, makes you queasy then by all means go read something more tolerant on Blue Oregon (that was a slam of BO) For starters let’s get a few housekeeping items out of the way ….I don’t like China and I don’t like the Chinese who collectively make up it’s current (or past) leadership! Does that mean I hate ALL Chinese? 2 billion of them? From a strictly practical standpoint how is that even possible? (a giant hate wand?). Like every race and nationality of people…. there are good ones and bad ones. For instance I LOVE General Tso! But generally speaking you could say …
“Fee Fie Fo Fina I hate most things China!”

but not without good…even dispositive reasons. I won’t even go into their record on human rights….of their grandiose inclusion of Taiwan as part of their country on the maps they circulate in China or even their despicable intolerant policy on Tibet …Nooooo just this once I am willing to let all of those issues slide with nary a mention.

I don’t hate China for who they are (Chinese), but rather for what they are, and the shameless (and stoic?), cavalier way they go about their business; which is constantly having to prove they are bigger, more scandalous and undisputedly more prolific international thieves and global cheats than their close friends ….the Russians.

A Russian will always cheat on his taxes even if he has to make up legitimate income to subtract made up deductions from. A Russian will roll back your odometer and even pocket a few pieces of your good silver if you have them to dinner…. but make no mistake about it Russians are all about themselves and no one else…they are selfishly dishonest (once again …not ALL Russians)

The Chinese on the other hand are collectively dishonest…they will steal, counterfeit, mass produce and flood the market with bootleg copies of Windows (or Garth Brooks CD’s) just for fun. When they decide to put on their business face (oh? you thought that was their business face …guess again) they will actively disrupt and manipulate world currency markets or erect ridiculous trade barriers…and then will convincingly act offended at the mere suggestion that anyone do the same thing to them. They will relentlessly and aggressively tilt the playing field in their own favor and then complain that it isn’t tilted even further. They have taken capitalist greed and corporate fantasies (of the impact of 2 billion new customers on their bottom line) as the means to their ends and elevated it to a new art form, and in doing so have committed financial crimes against humanity that make JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs look like 2 bit street corner hucksters …and done it with just as much arrogance and impunity!

But this post isn’t to rehash all of their past sins, lord knows we all have some historical luggage to carry…or even their current sins, but rather to put into some perspective, and provide some clues about the changes that have quietly been taking place as a way to divine their plans for the future. You don’t think all of their current posturing is being done for nothing do you?

Let’s start with what we know for sure: (Warning: gratuitous criticism of Obama next paragraph)

Love him or hate him (and right now he is our guy)…. they have no respect or love for Obama … none! He can’t bow deeply enough to make them like him even a little bit. Are they racists? You tell me …let’s look at how he has been treated so far because if you have followed this at all you would already know that they have taken every opportunity to frustrate and humiliate him they have been given. Remember how they overreacted when he had the Dali Lama come for a visit scaring Obama so bad he made the Lama exit thru the backdoor past the white house garbage area? How about their reactions to our arms sale to Taiwan …which was hardly unexpected or unprecedented, OK, please don’t forget the ‘ass hat’ they put on his head and made him wear at the Copenhagen Climate Change Conference (LOL), or their refusal to recognize senior military to military ties 6-7 months ago when Obama sent Gates over, hat in hand, to kiss their butts, or their unconnected…strictly coincidental, military test of their new stealth fighter aircraft, and their new assertiveness in Asia. …forget all of that. OK don’t forget it and try and convince me there isn’t some hidden agenda pushing these actions.

BHO, and his Chicago style politicking is no match for their kung fu. His biggest weakness is his lack of anything resembling a coherent long term (or near term) China strategy, followed closely by his inability to leave his need to be liked, and need to show the world how powerful he is. Every time he leaves home…he comes back with no deals that benefit the US and billions of dollars poorer (cash …loan guarantees etc) (or oil drilling rights poorer or …or …or). Every time he finds himself on the international stage, he uses it to feed his pathological narcissism (and need to be liked) while the Chinese stick to their one and only goal: Everything they do must benefit them and advance their cause and they don’t care what anyone else says or how bad the deal is for the other party(s). If they can’t improve their position…. they won’t play. They are fiercely and apologetically loyal to their own self interest first, last, and always. Their motto is “what’s in it for me?”

Secondly, China is getting ready to go through a planned change in leadership next year…they are also experiencing a resurgence of Chinese nationalism and a need to placate a growing neoconservative groundswell in their own ranks. Dai Bingguo (China’s foreign minister) went out of his way to write a long policy statement that made it clear they had no plans to challenge our global supremacy… why? When someone who has a track record of lying and deceitful conduct goes out of their way to tell me something my first reaction is to clutch my purse as tightly as possible!

Lastly, and probably most importantly, there has been a slow and quiet party recognition, increased budget, and autonomy given to the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) which in the past has always been subordinate to the party. When you look at the pieces of the puzzle and recognize that the Chinese military sees us as their most important enemy (we are the team to beat right?) and with the aging out of the old guard …who all had strong ties to the military and the introduction of the new guard (who has almost no military ties among it’s ranks) … you get the funny feeling that the hawks may soon be running the buffet line and that is usually a good indicator of changes in US – China relations.

We should take some lessons from the way China does things … like the way they made their wind-energy fund money “contingent on …manufacturers using parts made in China rather than foreign-made components.” and now the Chinese wind industry has captured half of the global market for turbines. This success is just one example demonstrating that when a nation combines its public spending with incentives that encourage domestic corporate investment, an economy tends to grow its own wealth-building industries. That’s simple enough to understand, right? What was our response to this schooling? We complained to the WTO and cried ‘no fair’.

When it comes to the future of this country and the further evolution of the global economy we need to start thinking more about what we need to do to encourage our own domestic investment so we can grow the wealth building industries of the future instead of crying foul against those who do. You win races by running faster and smarter than the other guy …not by tripping him and elbowing him in the curves. What are China’s plans? To continue to outflank, out negotiate, intimidate, bully, humiliate, out work, and import the innovations and ideas of others and make them their own….pretty much the same thing they have been doing since Nixon. China has never been an innovator …they haven’t ever had to be when they can acquire the innovations of others by simply being shrewder and hungrier than everyone else. As Donald Trump has said (many many times) …China is eating our lunch and we should be enjoying theirs! Wake up!
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I found this gem over on PrisonPlanet …and I loved it!

Obama Get’s Massive 13 Point Bounce (Allegedly) From Contrived Bin Laden Raid! (Who said waterboarding was good for nothing!)


Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com

Here’s a reminder that the vast majority of Americans are amongst the most gullible people on the planet. President Obama’s ability to pose as a “tough guy” over the contrived fable of the Bin Laden raid, allied with a return to simple-minded Bush-style terror fearmongering and helpful media spin on the economy, has enabled him to secure a massive 13 point bounce in approval ratings.

Meanwhile, although unemployment has risen to 9 per cent, while people on food stamps are at an all time record high, as house prices continue to plunge with 25% of all mortgages now underwater, and the dollar continues to sink, Americans have also bought the corporate media’s spin on the “improving” financial picture, with a majority now approving of Obama “stewardship” of the economy.

This turnaround in Obama’s job approval has no basis in reality whatsoever. It’s completely derived from the fact that the vast majority of Americans’ perceptions are based on nothing other than media brainwashing, White House PR stunts, and general ignorance borne of too much time spent obsessing about Dancing With the Stars and Justin Bieber.

A dumbed-down population that spends vastly more time watching TV soap operas that it does reading books or news, believing everything they see on the one eyed monster to be real, is why the White House can get away with releasing years old videos that purport to show recent footage of Bin Laden, along with images of an old man who vaguely resembles the terror bogeyman.

The fact that such propaganda is naive, cartoonish, and an insult to any thinking person’s intelligence actually helps the moronic masses absorb it better. This stuff isn’t aimed at us, it’s aimed at the kind of drooling idiots who celebrated the wanton slaughter in Iraq by purchasing large quantities of beer and pizza.

Having promulgated the myth that Obama himself was intimately involved in the Bin Laden raid, when in reality the White House had to stage photos of the president and his security staff as if they were reacting in real time to the siege, there’s now even an action figure out called “Rambama” of a ripped Obama wearing a Navy SEAL Team 6 skull shirt.

Even if you believe that the Bin Laden raid went down precisely as the White House said it did, after they flip-flopped on the narrative several times, the notion that Obama making the call to conduct the siege, after every president before him deliberately let Osama flee despite numerous opportunities to capture him, means Obama is now some kind of “tough guy” who can figuratively climb up buildings like King Kong and swat airplanes out of the sky is ludicrous.

CONT’D AT THE SOURCE ….


PROGRESSIVES ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE MORE DEFENSELESS THAN A LIBERAL. SO WHILE I WAS OUT TROLLING AROUND THE WORLD WIDE WEB… I STUMBLED UPON AN ACTIVE PROGRESSIVE FORUM AND BLOGItalic ( http://www.bobcesca.com/blog-archives/2011/05/president_obama_14.html) AND IN THE VERY FIRST POST I READ WAS A CHALLENGE TO EVERYONE TO SAY OUT-LOUD THAT OBAMA WAS THE WORST PRESIDENT EVER AND BACK IT UP WITH A GOOD ARGUMENT. I DID A QUICK DOUBLE TAKE AND IMMEDIATELY POSTED THE COMMENT THREAD THAT OCCURRED BETWEEN US. IN A NUTSHELL I TOOK OWNERSHIP OF THE LOSER GUY WHO DARED TO TRY AND BULLY ME… SUCH A FOOLISH FOUL MOUTHED LOON. HERE ARE THOSE EMAILS ….YOU DECIDE!

THIS ARTICLE STARTS THIS THREAD….

President Obama’s Accomplishments

Posted by Bob Cesca
Andrew Sullivan:

Obama avoided a plunge into the second Great Depression. He saved the auto industry. His bank bailout may make a profit. He has withdrawn most troops from Iraq. He has ended the ban on openly gay service members. He has appointed two women to the Supreme Court. He muscled universal healthcare through the Congress into law. He ended torture as the law of the land.

Abroad, since his Cairo speech, democratic revolution after revolution has occurred. From Tehran to Tunisia to Egypt, Bahrain, Syria and Yemen, the march of freedom George W Bush imagined has actually swept the region under his successor. Where Obama has failed – Israel/Palestine – he may still prevail.

But the capture and killing of bin Laden eclipses these. [Continued here]

THE CHALLENGE!

I challenge anyone on the right to say out loud that he’s the worst president ever — and then to justify it with hard evidence. And I challenge anyone on the left to say out loud that he hasn’t fulfilled any of his campaign promises or that he’s been a disappointment — and then to justify it with hard evidence.

YOU CHALLENGE ANYONE TO SAY OUT LOUD THAT OBAMA IS THE WORST PRESIDENT EVER? AND TO GIVE EXAMPLES OF WHY? WHERE DO I SIGN UP? SO I POSTED THIS RESPONSE:

“I ACCEPT YOUR CHALLENGE …LET’S SEE WHAT YOU GOT …AND NOT THE STANDARD ‘SILENCE THE DISSENTER’ APPROACH OF THE LEFT… Don’t think Obama has been the worst President ever? Really?

1. Remember Van Jones and the rest of his appointees
2. Remember his pledge to not have any lobbyists in his administration and then once elected he appointed the who’s who in globalist neocon neoliberal world.
3. Remember how he attacked the D.C. voucher program that allowed minorities to get the best education possible.
4. Remember how he tried to use his Chicago style politics to swing the Olympics to Chi Town …Failed
5. Remember how he seized control of the Student Loan program
6. Don’t forget the utter and total incompetence of Janet “the system, worked” Napolitano
7. Don’t forget how well he politicized the DOJ when he relieved the already found guilty black panthers from their convictions … and then refused to defend the defense of marriage act …proclaiming that he thought it was unconstitutional (not his job and his opinion is worthless)
8. Don’t forget that he was never really the President of the Harvard Law Review
9. Don’t forget that he lied about being a constitutional scholar and professor at the Univ of Chicago School of law. …all a lie. He taught one class a year and was considered the dim bulb of all of the TA level instructors
10. Remember that his DOJ sued Arizona for exercising their rights as a sovereign state regarding citizen identification
11. Don’t forget his attacks on Governor Scott Walker and the Wisconsin legislature for exercising his rights to negotiate with the state employees the way he chooses.
12. Remember his incoherent foreign policy bowing to the leaders of Middle4 East China etc. leaders
13. Remember his humiliating ‘apology tour” where he embarrassed the USA to the world
14. Remember that he sent the bust of Winston Churchill back to Great Britain …a gift from them to us many years ago.
15. Remember that he stopped the eastern block missile defense system protecting the Czech Republic and Poland …without telling either country he was doing it
16. Remember how he tried to jam the unconstitutional disclose act on congress who rejected it so he did it by executive order anyway.
17. Don’t forget his use of unaccountable Czars to circumvent congressional oversight and approval of the people in the cabinet level types of positions….or his refusal to follow congressional direction per the 2001 continuing resolution
18. Never forget his pledge to bring everyone together in a bipartisan group hug and compare it to his “I won and you lost” statements after he was elected.
19. How about the end run he did on Congress after his Cap and tax bill failed to pass and he told the EPA to institute it anyway.
20. Remember how this “Constitutional Scholar” showed his respect to the Suporme Court when he attacked them while they sat in the front row of his speech …and remember how one of those justices said “that’s a lie” or words to that effect under his breath while he was doing this.
21. Remember all of then 1000’s of ;lies that have been confirmed and logged since he took office…like “Obama care will actually reduce the deficit by 1 trillion dollars in the next 10 years “
22. How about Dodd Frank…the biggest power grab and the worst reform bill ever written
23. How about the 850 billion dollars he used for political paybacks vis a vie his “porkulus’ spending that no one knows where it all went because it produced so few jobs
24. How about his spectacularly inept and incompetent handling of the gulf oil spill crisis
25. How about the moratorium that the Federal Courts lifted that he refused to comply with causing all of the deep water drilling platforms to leave the area and adding even more unemployment to an already hard hit area.
26. How about the unemployment rate that never seems to go down and has been teetering at or near 10% throughout his entire term?
27. Don’t forget his incompetent handling of the Libyan involvement …a country who posed no threat to us ,…then bypassing congress and going to the UN for permission instead??
28. he really showed his consistency when he chose to ignore Syria’s slaughtering of their own people
29. True to form he also ignored the green revolution movement who had an entire election stolen from them in Iran
30. or his open hostility towards Israel including his shabby treatment of Netanyahu
31. How about his firing of the CVEO of GM then seizing both GM and Chrysler where he looted (stole) the bond holder’s wealth and transferred it to his union friends.
32. Or how he bailed out AIG with our money so they could make sure that his Goldman sacks supporters were paid 100 cents on the dollar for their bad bets. AGAIN!
33. What about Obama care that was jammed down everyone’s throats even though it was opposed by a clear majority of Americans …did nothing but raise everyone’s insurance rates, and threatens to destroy the health care delivery system in this country.
34. Gas Prices Gas Prices Gas Prices
35. How about his breathtaki9ngly stupid budget he proposed that left us with a 1.6 trillion dollar annual deficit for as far out as you could see?
36. Or when he tried to return the Honduran Dictator to power that their own Supreme Court had ordered to be removed?
37. How about the trade agreements with half a dozen countries that are just sitting on his desk gat5hering dust?
38. How about his end runs on Congress when he made a recess appointment of Craig beck who would have never made it thru confirmation any other way?
39. How about his dithering on the afghan surge?
40. How about his incoherent handling of the Egyptian crisis …supporting Mubarak then bus rolling Mubarak …or his sending Frank Wisner to Egypt then throwing Frank Wisner under the bus…
41. How about his total blind spot in not being able to see the Muslim Brotherhoods ascension to power there in the vacuum he created?
42. His cancellation of the virtual border program with nothing to re[place it and his refusal to enforce pout borders at all
43. His thumbing of his nose to all of the legal unemployed workers in this country when hen tries to jam thru the dream act and his push for another mass amnesty against a huge majority of the American people
44. His failed attempt to try the 911 terrorists in NYC?
45. He didn’t close gitmo like he promised he would
46. Continues to deny full water deliveries to the central California valley in order to ‘protect’ the delta smelt?
47. Remember how he is right now thumbing his nose at congress on the issue of net neutrality by presidential fiat to the FCC…seizing control of the internet
48. This fool tried to blame the collapse of the Minnesota bridge on a lack of infrastructure funding
49. The loser who was busy playing golf and doing the TV circuit and his bracket logy while the middle east crumbled into chaos…(more than normal)
50. His healthcare reform …was 2200 pages long and did everything but reform healthcare

Compare this to his list of accomplishments…who in their right mind would consider this mans record to be anything but the worst president ever.

THEN BEFORE VERY LONG ….
SOMEONE RESPONDS…AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT’S FISH ON! (IN POINT-COUNTERPOINT FORMAT)

@ Cameron J

That list would shame any embarrass any reasonable person into shutting the hell up for lack of anything to say. It’s nothing more than a slate of non sequiturs strung together by pissy opinion and a desperate need to find something…anything…to shore up wingnut bias with the appearance of having real issues. None of it holds water.
2. Remember his pledge to not have any lobbyists in his administration and then once elected he appointed the who’s who in globalist neocon neoliberal world.

The difference between campaigning and governing. Nothing more.
3. Remember how he attacked the D.C. voucher program that allowed minorities to get the best education possible.

The voucher program is nothing more than another veiled GOP attack on the poor and the destruction of public education. The suggestion that gutting PS to fund private education with coupons is an old GOP sawhorse and it’s reprehensible. The claim that it helps the poor get a better education is nothing more than partisan bullshit and unsupported by evidence.
4. Remember how he tried to use his Chicago style politics to swing the Olympics to Chi Town …Failed

More partisan buffoonery. Chicago-style pizza…oh, politics. Go fuck yourself, you slimy hack. You want to see REAL corruption, take a look at the IOC…or the GOP.
5. Remember how he seized control of the Student Loan program

You’re not even trying to make these seem like real arguments. “Remember how he DEMANDED arugula on his cheeseburger!”
\6. Don’t forget the utter and total incompetence of Janet “the system, worked” Napolitano

Good jerb, Brownie!
7. Don’t forget how well he politicized the DOJ when he relieved the already found guilty black panthers from their convictions … and then refused to defend the defense of marriage act …proclaiming that he thought it was unconstitutional (not his job and his opinion is worthless)

The Black Panthers? Your knee-jerk racism is showing on this long debunked smear story cooked up by the truly racist right wing.
8. Don’t forget that he was never really the President of the Harvard Law Review

The Harvard Law Review does not have a president – it has an EDITOR. The Editor was Barack Obama, you fucking idiot.
9. Don’t forget that he lied about being a constitutional scholar and professor at the Univ of Chicago School of law. …all a lie. He taught one class a year and was considered the dim bulb of all of the TA level instructors

You wingnuts will cling to anything. Go ask the university what position he held, you lying cock. I’m so sick of that twisted, “He didn’t have tenure!” argument. He was a Constitutional Law professor at the U of C. Period.
10. Remember that his DOJ sued Arizona for exercising their rights as a sovereign state regarding citizen identification

…for overstepping their authority in a craven attempt to legislate racism.
11. Don’t forget his attacks on Governor Scott Walker and the Wisconsin legislature for exercising his rights to negotiate with the state employees the way he chooses.

…for union busting and the unilateral breach of established contracts.
12. Remember his incoherent foreign policy bowing to the leaders of Middle4 East China etc. leaders

…as opposed to holding hands and kissing ala GWB.
13. Remember his humiliating ‘apology tour” where he embarrassed the USA to the world

An outright lie, and only a matter of perspective held by those who really believe America has nothing to apologize for; that building mutually beneficial relationships founded on understanding and respect is to be eschewed in favor of cowboy swagger.
14. Remember that he sent the bust of Winston Churchill back to Great Britain …a gift from them to us many years ago.

So?
15. Remember that he stopped the eastern block missile defense system protecting the Czech Republic and Poland …without telling either country he was doing it

Saving a shitload of money on a program that didn’t work, would probably never work, and was harmful to greater foreign policy objectives.
16. Remember how he tried to jam the unconstitutional disclose act on congress who rejected it so he did it by executive order anyway.

You don’t REALLY want to get into executive orders, do you? Not in the wake of eight years of Bush/Cheney.

Oh for fuck sakes…this is pointless. A laundry list of right wing idiot complaints ginned up out of nothing; labeling each and every action – no matter how benign, no matter how necessary, no matter how common, now matter how many times the Rethugs did the same, worse and uglier as being some sort of sneak attack on the constitution, American exceptionalism and part of a plot to subvert the Greatest Country Just Ever.

It’s pathetic to see someone invest so much time shoveling so much shit. The only thing more depressing is that you’re dumb enough to believe your slanted perspective reflects reality. You’re another example of Dunning Kroger in shoes – too stupid to know how stupid you are, and convinced that you’re right.”
I RESPOND:

NOTHING TO SAY? NON SEQUITORS (YOU BETTER LOOK THAT WORD UP SMART GUY!) I SUBMITTED A LIST OF 50 REASONS HE IS WORSE THAN CARTER (DEFENDING CHAMPION) AND I PROVIDED YOU WITH A LINK TO ANOTHER 2,400 LIES, MISTAKES AND SCANDALS… YOUR 1ST COHERENT ANSWER WAS TO ADMIT OBAMA LIED ABOUT LOBBYISTS AND IT’S OK BECAUSE WE CAN’T EXPECT TO EVER HEAR THE TRUTH WHEN SOMEONE IS CAMPAIGNING TO BE THE LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD….I DISAGREE!
#3 – You mistakenly fall back on your standard anti-vouchers argument without dealing with what and how the voucher program he attacked worked in DC (and who it was working for..stooge)
#4-At this point you know I will be punking you out and making you my bitch boy so you flail around and resort to the standard progressive answer to everything that they can’t explain and I won’t let you ignore…what else but NAME CALLING! (BRILLIANT mouth breather)
#5 Forget about what breathtakingly stupid thing Obama did …let’s talk about the person saying these things. (rolls eyes…dude where’s your car?)
#6 – personal attack
#7 accuse her of racism (sorry ‘racer’ chew my boot heel)
#8-#9 You obviously must have attended a university with the word ‘state’ or “community’ in it’s name. I didn’t. You are correct I should have said editor but you are wrong because at Harvard the editor is required to pu8blish …BHO didn’t
1) A special report issued by ‘the Blogging Professor,’ the Chicago Law School faculty hated Obama. The report states that Obama was unqualified, that he was never a ‘constitutional professor and scholar,’ and that he never served as editor of the Harvard Law Review while a student at the school.
2) The Examiner said: “The real truth is that Barack Obama was merely an ‘instructor’ at Chicago Law School, not a professor”
3) According to the Chicago Sun-Times, “Obama did NOT ‘hold the title’ of a University of Chicago law school professor”. Barack Obama was NOT a Constitutional Law professor at the University of Chicago.
Wah! OMG another lie…I am shocked!
#10- Call her a racist again!
#11- Lie
#12- Wow …just raw unfiltered ignorance on this one sorry!…we will set you up with the home edition
#13- You admit this one …so there is hope (that you will change!)
#14- If you can’t grasp the idiocy and bad form involved with gratuitously insulting our greatest ally then you are NOT smarter than a 5th grader.
#15- You admit this one too but only because you completely missed the point…what was the point? HE DID IT WITHOUT TELLING THEN FIRST! HELLO! DOH!
#16- YOU MISSED THE POINT ON THIS ONE AS WELL…HE JAMMED THIS ORDER AFTER CONGRESS SAID NO!…big difference.Thats all the questions you even tried to give before you got mad and flipped the board sending the game pieces flying. Don’t feel bad I couldn’t have defended this idiot either. The only person who thinks BHO is smart is the narcissist himself (and the MSM who think every DEM is smart and every rep is dumb)

Then in your hysterical childlike rage over getting owned you frantically grasp for the most insulting and hurtful things you can think of to say wrapping it all up with this:

“The only thing more depressing is that you’re dumb enough to believe your slanted perspective reflects reality. You’re another example of Dunning Kroger in shoes – too stupid to know how stupid you are, and convinced that you’re right”

There is no objective standard that you can point at that will establish that (a) I am dumb and (b) you are smarter than I am. None! All of my undergraduate and graduate school degrees are from Stanford (Except for my math degree which I received overseas) I have looked long and hard at the progressive gibberish you guys spew and I can’t make it make sense (and obviously neither can you) I didn’t just wake up pone day and decide to be a lib/cons …It’s the only political persuasion that I can defend and that history has shown actually works. Go see Soros and tell him that you need to have someone turn up the candle power in your brain and while you are at it …ask for some manners and cooth and to learn how to play with others without regressing into a Neanderthal. I avoid trailer parks and bowling alleys specifically to avoid crude unrefined uncultured oafish churls like you …I don’t care how good the banjo music is there. Let me know when you find your game and you manage to slap and scrap your self esteem back together … Here is my email address where you can write to apologize to me. cameronjordanuscstpb@mail.ru

Posted by: Cameron Jordan at May 4, 2011 4:57 AM


In the wake of President Obama’s biggest foreign policy victory to date, Republicans have gone out of their way not to give the commander-in-chief too much credit for taking out Osama bin Laden. They are even using the opportunity to burnish George W. Bush’s tarnished reputation and validate discredited “enhanced interrogation” techniques used to torture detainees overseas.

“We obtained that information through waterboarding,” Rep. Peter King (R-NY) told Fox News on Monday night. “So for those who say that waterboarding doesn’t work, who say it should be stopped and never used again, we got vital information, which directly led us to Bin Laden.” Likewise, Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) said on Twitter, “Wonder what President Obama thinks of water boarding now?”

The early evidence, however, cast doubt on the notion that torture was integral to finding and killing bin Laden. According to the Associated Press, the courier who tipped off the CIA about Bin Laden’s location had been questioned using standard interrogation techniques, not “enhanced” ones. Former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld has said that “it was not harsh treatment and it was not waterboarding” that yielded critical information on Bin Laden’s whereabouts. ‘

Attorney General Eric Holder was a bit more circumspect during a Tuesday morning hearing, saying he didn’t know whether the action against bin Laden was based on information derived from torture. And Wired‘s Spencer Ackerman has concluded that torture played, at most, a minor role in the hunt based on what we know so far.

By propping up torture, Republicans have also continued their larger project to vindicate Bush, whom they’ve repeatedly credited for helping to bring down Bin Laden. On Monday, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.) paid effusive tribute to Bush, praising his leadership, with only brief mention of Obama’s role in bringing Bin Laden to justice. “Nearly ten years ago, President Bush stood before the nation after 9/11 and pledged to the American people that we will not tire and we will not falter, and we will not fail in our quest to defeat those who intend to do us harm through acts of terror,” he said. “Last night we heard President Obama tell a very changed nation that we did not fail.” The remarks built on a press statement that Cantor initially released, in which he commended Obama for having “followed the vigilance of President Bush in bringing Bin Laden to justice.”


“We obtained that information through waterboarding,” Rep. Peter King (R-NY) told Fox News on Monday night. “So for those who say that waterboarding doesn’t work, who say it should be stopped and never used again, we got vital information, which directly led us to Bin Laden.” Likewise, Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) said on Twitter, “Wonder what President Obama thinks of water boarding now?” Cont’d at the source…Click!

Forget for a second the timing of this announcement and forget for a few seconds that with no body left for anyone to look at we are being asked to take the governments word on the facts and circumstances surrounding this event. That is the same President and the same government that has done nothing but lie to us for the last 2 1/2 years! Why would they pick now to start being truthful? Let’s review the various news sources from when Osama was killed and pronounced dead the first time 10 years ago in 2001.

Bin Laden’s voice was detected regularly until [14 December 2001] by intelligence operatives monitoring radio transmissions in Tora Bora, according to the Pentagon [details]. Since then, nothing has been heard from the al-Qa’eda leader and President Bush has hinted in private that bin Laden’s silence could mean he has been killed. [Telegraph, 12/28/2001

Osama bin Laden is dead. The news first came from sources in Afghanistan and Pakistan almost six months ago: the fugitive died in December [2001] and was buried in the mountains of southeast Afghanistan. Pakistan’s president, Pervez Musharraf, echoed the information. The remnants of Osama’s gang, however, have mostly stayed silent, either to keep Osama’s ghost alive or because they have no means of communication.

Click for full sized image

With an ego the size of Mount Everest, Osama bin Laden would not have, could not have, remained silent for so long if he were still alive. He always liked to take credit even for things he had nothing to do with. Would he remain silent for nine months and not trumpet his own survival? [New York Times. July 11, 2002]

FOX News Report: Bin Laden Already Dead

Usama bin Laden has died a peaceful death due to an untreated lung complication, the Pakistan Observer reported, citing a Taliban leader who allegedly attended the funeral of the Al Qaeda leader.

[Fox News. December 26, 2001]

Bin Laden has often been reported to be in poor health. Some accounts claim that he is suffering from Hepatitis C, and can expect to live for only two more years. According to Le Figaro, last year [2000] he ordered a mobile dialysis machine to be delivered to his base at Kandahar in Afghanistan. [Guardian]

Pakistan‘s Musharraf: Bin Laden probably dead

Pakistan’s president says he thinks Osama bin Laden is most likely dead because the suspected terrorist has been unable to get treatment for his kidney disease.

[A Bush administration official] said U.S. intelligence is that bin Laden needs dialysis every three days and “it is fairly obvious that that could be an issue when you are running from place to place, and facing the idea of needing to generate electricity in a mountain hideout.” [CNN]

Renal dialysis — talking about hemodialysis — is something that really is reserved for patients in end-stage renal failure. That means their kidneys have just completely shut down. The most common cause of something like that would be something like diabetes and hypertension. Once that’s happened, if you’re separated from your dialysis machine — and incidentally, dialysis machines require electricity, they’re going to require clean water, they’re going to require a sterile setting — infection is a huge risk with that. If you don’t have all those things and a functioning dialysis machine, it’s unlikely that you’d survive beyond several days or a week at the most. [CNN]

Karzai: bin Laden ‘probably’ dead

Osama bin Laden is “probably” dead, but former Taliban leader Mullah Omar is alive, Afghan President Hamid Karzai has said. [CNN]

FBI: Bin Laden ‘probably’ dead

The US Federal Bureau of Investigation’s counter-terrorism chief, Dale Watson, says he thinks Osama bin Laden is “probably” dead. [BBC]

Magazine runs what it calls bin Laden’s will

The editor-in-chief of a London-based Arab news magazine said a purported will it published Saturday was written late last year [2001] by Osama bin Laden, and shows “he’s dying or he’s going to die soon.” [CNN]

Usama bin Laden has died a peaceful death due to an untreated lung complication, the Pakistan Observer reported, citing a Taliban leader who allegedly attended the funeral of the Al Qaeda leader. “The Coalition troops are engaged in a mad search operation but they would never be able to fulfill their cherished goal of getting Usama alive or dead,” the source said. [FOX News]

A prominent official in the Afghan Taleban movement announced yesterday the death of Osama bin Laden, the chief of al-Qa’da organization, stating that binLaden suffered serious complications in the lungs and died a natural and quiet death. [Welfare State]

Osama bin who?

Israel does not view bin Laden as a threat. [Janes]

Israeli intelligence: Bin Laden is dead, heir has been chosen

Israeli sources said Israel and the United States assess that Bin Laden probably died in the U.S. military campaign in Afghanistan in December. They said the emergence of new messages by Bin Laden are probably fabrications, Middle East Newsline reported. [World Tribune]

I don’t doubt for a second that the SEALS killed someone …but death by ‘double tap’ to the head doesn’t leave alot to make an identification from. Obama’s insistence to immediately take his body out and dump it in the ocean just doesn’t hold water. How stupid do they think we are?”

“They ain’t going down on Broke Back Mountain…” No Rahm and Barrack preferred eachother OR often times, the company of other men at a Chicago Gay bathhouse called “Man’s Country” in Andersonville Illinois where they both had lifetime memberships. Not only was it closer they thought they could visit there all they wanted and everyone would keep it on the Down Low! …Not any more!

This has to be cloak-and-dagger for the time being, because though we’ve not been sworn to secrecy on the project, we’re not at liberty to talk in depth about what we did yesterday, which was in response to one of the occasional requests we get from members of the media for background info on stories they’re doing.
Normally, it’s foreign journalists who get in touch with us when they’re in Chicago and want to go to the Southside to see how terrible it is, and talk about how Obama did absolutely jack squat for it as either a state senator or US Senator, and hasn’t used any of his particular brand of unicorn horn magic to improve it (or the black community residing there) since the illustrious Golden Age of Hope and Change began on January 20th, 2009.

But, this time it was a US reporter who wanted information on Man’s Country in Andersonville, which is a place both Obama and Rahm Emanuel frequented in the past. Obama until 2002 or so, and Emanuel through 2008, according to what we’ve been told. We spent a good amount of time on the ground in Uptown, Boystown, Andersonville, and Hyde Park yesterday with this reporter, also telling him everything we knew about Trinity United Church of Christ and the Down-Low Club it operated under Jeremiah Wright’s supervision/matchmaking.

What prompted this sudden interest in stories we’ve been hearing since 2004, when Obama first came onto the national scene, is the fact that at least one national journalist also thinks it’s odd — as we have been repeatedly saying — that The Enquirer, The Globe, and other papers have been so wildly gung-ho about reporting on old Vera Baker affair rumors pertaining to Obama…and how all of this comes on the heels of Kal Penn’s sudden and abrupt expulsion from the White House.


Something is definitely fishy. Cont’d at the source
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